Our guest on Skype is going to be Tololwa Mollel. Tololwa was born in Tanzania, but he's lived for a long time now in Canada. He writes picture books for young readers, especially picture books about the animals of the Africa where he grew up. He's also a playwright. He writes plays. He's a performer and a storyteller. And he tours all around Canada, to libraries and to schools, storytelling and reading his own work. He's a great believer in writing for young people, and it's going to be a pleasure to talk to Tololwa. Well Tolowa, thank you very much for speaking to us today. In this module, we've been looking at aspects of structure. That's plot, theme, character, setting, and so on. Can we ask you, when you are starting a story or a play, do you plan your plot very much? And how do you do your planning? >> Yes, I do plan my port over time, very much. And let an idea simmer, in my head for a long time. And I try, that's a way of keeping pressure off myself. Then I convince myself that I'm just playing around and, I don't start, I start cold. It's kind of like a rhino warming up for a race. >> Yeah, I often find that the idea for the plot has been in my head for awhile like you're saying before you even realize it. When you do realize that you've got the idea for the story, do you then start planning, say, on paper or do you start making plans on the computer? >> I make plans on paper. I just jot down ideas as they come to me on a clipboard, and over time, when an idea hits me, I put it down and just gather it in scraps. >> I like your saying over time. So, you don't try and do all the planning at once. You may, say, plan for a bit one day, and then maybe a week later get some more of the idea and add to it then? Yes. >> Yes, so the planning builds up over time. Great, thank you. I wonder, do you think there are any qualities which make a really good plot? I mean, what to you makes a really impressive and interesting plot? >> I think the first thing is a twist, if there's a twist. Unpredictability. That, too, is, and the flow. because a lot of times people like to go into a story, a book, and they want to see it flowing, getting somewhere. And if the beginning lags and there are so many books out there that they can just drop your book and pick up another book. >> Yes. So your story has to be good enough to grab them early on, doesn't it? Right. Right. So it has to have flow, you like to have a twist in it. Do you like to sort of perhaps jump sometimes in time or in place? And go quite suddenly to a different part of the plot. >> Yes, yes, I like to do that. I like to know that I can just roam around. I'm not confined to the beginning, middle, and end because then you kind of get stuck sometimes, and it's good to know if you get stuck, well, it's not a crime to move around part of the story. >> Right. That's exactly what we've been saying in some of our videos, that it's a good idea sometimes to jump to a new place or a time which makes the story really seem as though it's moving. And sometimes also to do the opposite, to stop and really focus on one important moment, or one important scene. Do you find yourself doing things like that? >> Yes. Like slow things down. Especially if I'm working on something that I find is a bit difficult, then I break it down to a question of, just work on one paragraph over and over, trying to get it right before I move on. And then when I get things right I cannot quit while I'm ahead. >> Yes. >> So that. >> Good >> Good. >> The next time I pick up, I've got a lot more stamina or interests. >> Right yeah, yeah. That's a lovely idea. So you sort of perhaps try and finish the day's work, or try and finish that bit of work on a part which you feel is really good, and that you can pick up from there. [LAUGH] Yeah, I think I should steal that technique and use it myself actually. [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH]