Now finally can we talk a little bit about setting, the time and place of a play or a story. How do you make sure the details of your setting are accurate? Do you do much research for the time and the place? >> Yes, sometimes I have to do a lot of research. And with some stories, I don't, I mean setting doesn't really play all that much of a role. And with some stories they do. For example I was working on a play. A fairly long play with land creatures and water creatures. >> Right. >> So I had consciously to go and do research about water creatures. What creatures live in the water, rivers and what is their habitat like? The ecology and, what are their characteristics? I had to find all that but I found that research can be tricky because it go on and on and on and do research just because you don't want to work on a story. >> Right, you've got a call coming in that's fine. >> And you >> What did I say? Yeah. >> Yes, research can be tricky. >> [CROSSTALK] Make an excuse not to do the work of the story. So what I do- [CROSSTALK]. >> Yes I recognize that. I love research, I could spend months doing research and never start the story. So there comes a time when you have to end your research and start your actual writing. >> Yes. >> Could I just ask about, you were saying you went and researched about these animals. Did you go to libraries, did you go online, what sorts of places did you get the details. >> The library and online. And it's great now, you can go online and get images and sounds and whatnot. But I use the library a lot. So. >> Excellent, right. I'm going to ask you one last question which I didn't tell you I was going to ask. What do you love most about writing, Tololwa. If you had to sort of pick the thing about your job. Because I know that writings partly your job as it is mine. What do you love most about writing? >> Wow that's a big question. >> [LAUGH]. >> A lot of things but I think one of the things that I like about it is that you get a second chance. >> Great yes. >> and a third chance and a fourth chance. You get so many chances to make it right >> And so you can just go over it you can enjoy reshaping the writing and the pleasure of improving it all the way along. >> Yeah and you can get it wrong and then finally get it right. >> That's wonderful. And Tololwa, very last of all, is there one piece of advice you would most like to give to writers who are just starting off? >> Wow. I'm trying to think back on when I started myself, and one of the things that I remember is that I was just writing and writing. I mean sure I'll send my stuff to be published. I'll get rejected. But I'll just, you know, it didn't really mean much to me because I really enjoyed the art of writing itself. And then after awhile I got published, one book. And I said well I have to bring out another book Sir if they can't make a bid like a job. After that. >> [LAUGH] Yes. >> That innocence disappeared. Like the passion, I mean I still have the passion of I still like writing. But I think one should not lose that innocent passion of just wanting to write. >> That's wonderful because we began our course by saying that the feeling that you want to write is one the most wonderful feelings there is. >> Yes. >> Thank you so much Tololwa Mollel, it's been a wonderful privilege to talk to you.