>> Well sure you know the first thing I,
I interviewed a lot of powerful women to write the book.
And I asked every single one of them, do you consider yourself powerful?
And to a person, they said no, I like to think that I have influence, but
they didn't want to characterize themselves as powerful, power.
Is for reasons perhaps cultural, perhaps more complicated.
Is not something that women feel comfortable associating themselves with,
at least outwardly.
Even though there are a lot of powerful women.
And, and I think that that,
that's not only in terms of how they describe themselves and
how they think about themselves, but
sometimes how they exercise their roles and, and, and carry out their jobs.
I think, again you know, and the traditional idea of power is kind of
a masculine, top down, authoritarian, you know, you know, tough guy kind of thing.
And that is not a, a po, position that works for most women.
And so I think, one of the challenges for
women is how, is to kind of thread that needle.
Between how can you be authoritative and yet feminine?
How can you be a good leader, and also be a good wife, a good mother, a good?
All the other things that people want to be in their complex lives.
>> I think back to your position as the first White House press Secretary who
was a woman and I suffer as as a friend saying well who were your mentors?
Who were your role models?
Who could you look to?
Who did you look to, at that point in time in your life?
When you're, you're wrestling with alligators daily in the White House
press room, who could you look to for that kind of guidance as a role model?
>> To the core of your question, I think it's very helpful for people, men or
women, people of color, whatever, to look around and
see people who look like them, in jobs that they want to have.
And that they can imagine themselves doing that same job.
And so.
You know, the, that's why I think success is kind of you know,
it's a bit of a forced multiplier.
The more people succeed the more, you know, they create opportunities for
other people that are like them to do the same.
>> What do you think, from a master's of public policy program,
will be the greatest value, and what kind of character traits should we sort,
seek to encourage in kids who are going to have an extraordinarily?
Viable degree from what I parochially consider the,
the greatest public university in the world.
[LAUGH] but, but what do we want to bring out of that and what did they bring to
the table having had that extra focus on, on, on policy analysis?
>> Well, I mean I think there's,
I tell people all the time, young people, what do they want to be.
You know, public policy professionals, or
journalists, or any other kind of Washington-centric careers.
Public, public relations, communications.
So again, it's very helpful to be an expert on some substance, right.
>> Mm-hm. >> To understand the,
to be able to go deeper on the issues affected by your.