Third aspect: when so centralized church
was created, was built up,
there was a strong chance of rivalry
with the political power.
How to conceive this division of labor
between religion and politics,
between church and state?
And you know that this original rivalry
between church and state
generated the process of state making.
The state, the western state was creating
by trying to get emancipated
from the tutorship
of the pope and of the church.
This duality – church and state –
is an original feature
of the Roman Catholic culture,
inside the western world
and is explaining the specificity
of the western state.
I will add also a last point,
which is probably strongly connected
to the Roman Catholic history,
it’s the conception of representation
and delegation,
that’s to say the creation
of the Roman Catholic Church
is coming from this famous sentence
that I defined in the beginning of my lecture,
when I explained that Jesus considered Peter
as his representative on the earth,
and Jesus, when he said to Peter
‘You are Peter and on this rock
I will build my church’
he meant that political action,
political game inside the western world
were shaped by this conception of delegation.