[MUSIC] So, Peter, I really like the logic model, but I have a problem with it. In our field, the outcomes and the impacts can be really highly subjective. So what do we do with that in the logic model? >> We are modest. We have to say, we can track outputs. We can count the number of people in programs. We can count the number of hours of service. We can count the number of school visits we do. We can count well, we've gotta be satisfied at least initially with that. Then we gotta push just a little bit at the boundaries, and say there's some short-term outcomes that we can measure. We may not be able to get the long-term, life-changing outcomes that we like. But there are short-term outcomes that we can track after a program is completed. So my answer to you is yeah, you may not be able to get the whole thing, but you can get enough. You can get outputs and short term outcomes which will give you something to work with. Don't worry about getting everything. Sometimes you get what you need. >> That seems logical. >> It is that's why we call it a logic model. >> [LAUGH] [MUSIC]